winchester model 70

[gullythumper]

I recently acquired a winchester model 70 carbine. My reference books say very little about a carbine version. The serial number indicates it was made in the 80's. Anyone out there have any detailed Winchester info that will help me determine if it's a rare version and what it's worth?? It's in .250 savage. NO GUYS! it's not for sale at this time!...G

["BIGTYME"]

Gully give me a few days to check some things out on it . Can you tellme aroound what time in the 80's it was made, that will help my search

[Okiehunter]

Being a 250 savage I would say that it is fairly rare as I don't think they sold allot of them it that caliber. But this is just a guess on my part,. I have a Ruger pre warning tang safety in 250 savage that's worth around $675.00

["BIGTYME"]

I went to alot of sites and I couldn't even find one for sale to see a value Winchesters website did not even have alot of info on it I wold Hang on to it

[Okiehunter]

See if you can find a firearms Blue book, if you can't find one I will see if my huntin buddy still has one and I will look it up for you.

[bucknrut]

Heres a litle bit of history about the 250 Savage:

Designed by Charles Newton, the 250 Savage was introduced by the Savage Arms Company as a high velocity round for the Model 99 lever action rifle. The original loading used an 87 grain bullet at 3000 fps muzzle velocity, and Savage named it the 250-3000. One suspects the 87 grain bullet was chosen because it could be safely driven at 3000 fps with the powders then available. This allowed Savage to introduce it with the ever so sexy name 250-3000. remember in 1915, when this cartridge was introduced, riflemen were still marvelling at cartridges achieving 2000 fps. About 1932, the 100 grain bullet load was marketed by Peters Cartridge Company and later the velocity of the 87 grain bullet was slightly increased. Now it is simply called the 250 Savage. The Savage Model 20 and 40 bolt action rifles also chambered the round as did the Winchester Model 54 and 70 bolt actions. Late in 1971, Savage announced that their Model 99 would be again available in this caliber. Others such as Ruger and Remington, have made rifles in this caliber also.

[bucknrut]

Winchester Model 70 Information

Bolt action rifle, made in Short Rifle (Carbine), Standard, Featherweight, Magnum, Varmit, Super Grade or Match versions.
Introduced in 1935 but not sold until 1937 at S/N 1 to 1963 at 583,200 for the pre-64 versions

Cataloged calibers were, 22 Hornet, 220 Swift, 243 Win., 250 Savage, 257 Roberts, 264 Win Mag. 270 Win., 7x57mm Mauser, 7.65 Argentine, 300 Savage, 308 Win., 30-06, 300 H&H magnum, 300 Win. Mag. 338 Win Mag. 35 Remington, 358 Win. 9x97 mm, 375 H&H magnum, 458 Win. magnum

These guns were made in carbine, (20"), standard (24"), magnum & varmit (26") barrels. The carbine & standard barrels had a raised ring, (boss) at the rear sight dovetail so that the dovetail was above the normal slot cut in the barrel. The breech end of the barrel copied the 1903 Springfield coned breech.

All guns other than the target versions used a barrel with an integral front ramp until 1955 when the ramps were silver soldered on.

Sling swivels were the standard non-detachable bows.

Buttplates were a forged checkered steel with a lip on top.

All the stocks were walnut & were hand checkered, except some match guns.

The hinged magazine cover was held in place at the rear by a plunger that was housed inside the front of the guard bow, (trigger guard).

Triggers were simple, but adjustable.

There were 3 different types of safeties used on these guns. The original spatula thumb piece which blocked the line of sight for iron sights in the safe position & had to be moved to the rear to fire. The transition & others thereafter will swing to the muzzle to fire.

The pre-64 was only made in a "long" action, as when using shorter calibers, the magazine box had spacers added in either the rear or front, or both to allow feeding. A filler (spacer) block was added to the extractor ring that acted as a bolt stop & was made different lengths to accommodate each caliber other than the standard (30-06 & magnums). The ejector was made longer to compensate for shorter calibers.

[bucknrut]

Helpful link:
oldguns.net/cgi-bin/f2f/f2f.pl?http://oldguns.net/q&a10_99.htm

[gullythumper]

Bucknrut,
Thanks for the lengthy info on the carbine, but unfortunately your info is on the pre-64 carbine. Mine is a post-64 type and from the little I have been able to discover about it, was made in the 80's, around 1986. It appears it wan't produced in the .250savage in very large quantities, and although a modern firearm, may be worth a bit more than other 70's made in that era due to the rarity of the caliber.
i was hoping that someone would have a detailed reference book on winchesters and it might have more detail about this particular model and caliber. Sooner or later I'll find the right info and will know what I need about this gun. G

[Ruger Redhawk]

I don't know of any but there must be a Winchester forum you could ask on.I know there are Ruger ,S&W plus many other gun forums.There is bound to be a Winchester one.

I have a few year old Gun Traders guide here. There are tons of Win Model 70's listed. I see a Winchester M70 Standard Carbine.It says. Same general spec as standard model 70 except with a 19" barrel and weighs 7.25 pounds. Shallow recoil pad. Walnut stockand forend w/traditional M70 checkering.Swivel studs. No sights but drilled and tapped for scope mounts. There is no mention of what caliber it came in.Not listed when it was made. The standard M70 says made from 1972-80.

Ruger Redhawk